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joseph william hidden[1, 2]

Male 1874 - 1963  (88 years)

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  • Name joseph william hidden 
    Born 20 Feb 1874  Stockcross, Speen (C) Find all individuals with events at this location  [3, 4
    Gender Male 
    Census 1881,91,1911  [5, 6, 7
    Occupation groom, soldier 
    Reference Number J050 
    Died 1963  Bromley RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
    Person ID I5460  Hidden | Descendants of John Hidden of Hungerford b. bef 1676
    Last Modified 11 Apr 2016 

    Father thomas hidden,   c. 5 Apr 1833, st george hs Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1904, Newbury RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 70 years) 
    Mother martha plater,   b. Abt 1849,   d. 1893, Newbury RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 44 years) 
    Married 1871  Marylebone RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  [9
    Family ID F1769  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 bessie beedell,   b. Abt 1873,   d. 1956, Surrey RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 83 years) 
    Married 1904  Farnham RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  [10
     1. bessie hidden,   b. 1905, Newbury RGD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     2. william h hidden,   b. 1910, Pretoria Regn Dist Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     3. winifred c hidden,   b. 1912, Elham RGD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Yes, date unknown
     4. joan k hidden,   b. 1914, Croydon RGD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 2003, Truro RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 89 years)
    Last Modified 11 Apr 2016 
    Family ID F1763  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 rosa may fugdle,   b. 18 Jul 1882,   d. 29 Dec 1981, Tunbridge/w RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 99 years) 
    Married 1956  Tonbridge RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  [11
    • Married after the death of Joseph William's 1st wife in 1956. Joseph & Rosa May has 2 children who were born in 1920 & 1922 long before their marriage.
     1. wendy hidden,   b. 1920, St giles RGD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1978, Tonbridge RGD Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 58 years)
     2. peter hidden,   b. 1922, St giles RGD Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1944, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 22 years)
    Last Modified 11 Apr 2016 
    Family ID F1764  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Notes 
    • His birth was registered as joseph william, but he seems to have been called william joseph throughout his life. He joined the Army in about 1892 . In 1911 he was stationed in South Africa with the 3rd Hussars with the rank of sergeant. His brother Frederick was in the same unit. Married bessie beedell in 1904 and they had 3 children, bessie ( b002) , winifred c (w055) & joan k(j082) between 1905 and 1914. His wife bessie died in 1956 aged 83. However william joseph & rosa may fugdle have 2 children in 1920 & 1922 before the death of his 1st wife. He married rosa may in 1956 after the death of his 1st wife in the same year. His 2nd wife died in 1981.

  • Sources 
    1. [S17939] Private Communication, Recno:12082 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:12082 Edesc:frederick charles hidden Yr: 1997 ]
      Priv Comm Norman
      FREDERICK CHARLES HIDDEN (F30) His birth is recorded in the RGI for the 4th quarter of 1875 in the District of Newbury (ref 2c 232). His Army records seem to indicate a slight discrepancy as to year of birth. They do provide us, however, with his place of birth as Speen and his home address at the time of enlistment as Donnington, both of which are within the Registration District of Newbury.
      His daughter-in-law, Mrs Iris Hidden, has shown me his marriage certificate, in which he is named as Frederick Charles Hidden, bachelor, aged 29, Sergeant in the 3rd Kings Own Hussars. The marriage took place in Holy Trinity Church, Sialkot, India, 10 November 1906. The bride was Annie Catherine Law, aged 21, spinster, daughrt of James and Winnie (?) Law. Mrs Hidden has a splendid photograph of the wedding party, which includes Frederick's brother Joseph William, also serving in the 3rd Hussars and the bride's parents, James Law being another 3rd Hussar (in uniform). I have seen also Frederick Charles's Army certificates of character and discharge. His certificate of discharge No. 30708 refers to him on discharge as of the 4th Hussars, having been posted thence from the 3rd Hussars, also having previously served in the Essex Yeomanry 2nd Reserve Cavalry Regiment. He held the K.S. & G.C. medal and the Queens Medal. His date of enlistment is given as 7.4.1894 and of discharge as 27.11.1919. His character certificate states that Frederick hidden served 25 years 238 days. His character was exemplary: sober, honest, intelligent, reliable and trustworthy.
      He is known to have had two children -- Leslie Charles and Stanley James (S47). The first was born in Pretoria, South Africa, in 1909 and Stanley James in Braintree, Essex in 1914.
      Mrs Hidden also showed me the certificate of his death which took place 9 February 1940; he was named Frederick Charles Hidden and was aged 63: his residence at the time was 25 Kingston Road, Southall, Middlesex. During his later years he was employed as groundsman for the Norwood Cricket Club and also a local football club. A witness to his death was his son Stanley James (S47) of 95 Church Drive, Harrow.
      Annie Catherine (A252) the wife of Frederick Charles died 3/1980 in the North Hants District aged 80. Her date of birth is given as 27 April 1885 and this corresponds with her age of 21 at the date of her marriage at Sialkot in 1906. (RGI re 20.0451)
      The RGI records his birth in the first quarter of 1874 Newbury District reg 2c 151. He is assumed to be the son of Thomas (T22) [died in the Newbury Registration District]. J50 is the brother of Frederick Charles Hidden (F30). He is said to have joined the 3rd Hussars and Mrs Iris Hidden has pointed him out in uniform in the wedding photo of his brother F30 in India in 1906. It seems likely that Frederick Charles, who was the younger of the two brothers, purchased his release from the Royal Berkshire Regiment to join the 3rd Hussars to be with his brother.. The Regiment served in the Boer War.
      It seems the 3rd Hussars returned to South Africa, for not only was Frederick's son, Leslie Charles (L40) born there in 1909 (Births from Regimental Registers ref 257.98) but William H. Hidden was born in Pretoria in 1910 (Births from Regimental Registers ref no. 257.82). In each case his father is given as serving in the 3rd Hussars. Other Hidden births from the 3rd Hussars Regimental Registers are: Bessie Hidden (B2) born 1905 at Newbury ref 257.82 and Winifred C. Hidden (W55) born 1912 at Shorncliffe ref 257.82. Shorncliffe was the location of an Army barracks in Kent. The RGI also records the birth of Winifred, in the Elham Registration District of Kent (RGI ref 2a 2067). The mother's surname is Bedell. Since the regimental reference number remains the same for all three births --- Bessie, William H., and Winifred C. it seems probable that they all three were the children of Joseph William; this concurs with Mrs. Iris Hidden's firm statement that William H. and Winifred C. were not brother or sister of her husband Stanley Charles. If this is correct it would seem that the 3rd Hussars served in the Boer War, returned to England or gave home leave to Joseph William c. 1905-6, moved overseas to India 1906 and returned to Britain in 1910. Regimental records should be consulted to confirm this pattern. We have not yet found a record of Joseph William's death [see RGI Bromley Dist 1963 aged 88], nor of the details of his marriage to ---- Bedell [ see RGI Farnham Dist 1904]. Of their children WILLIAM H. (W77) married Olive M. Edgerton in the Surrey SE District 2/1938 (ref 2a 1539). Bessie (B2) married --- Standing in the Godstone District 3/1930 (ref 2a 737). Winifred C. (W55) married ----- Spiers Surrey SE District (ref 2a 1786)

    2. [S17206] Probate Index probate registry, Recno:5738 (Reliability: 1).
      [Recno:5738 Edesc:admons Yr: 1944 ]
      peter hidden of 113 bradbourne vale rd sevenoaks kent who died 4/1/1944 on war service. Admons lewes to rosa may hidden wife of william joseph hidden. Effects 378

    3. [S17037] RG Index of Births, Recno:1669 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:1669 Yr: 1874 Qtr:1 Dist:newbury Ref:2c/251 ]
      joseph william hidden newbury

    4. [S17034] Certificate of Birth, Recno:69 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:69 Date: 20 Feb 1874 Dist:newbury SubDist:speen ]
      joseph william s/d of thomas hidden, butler domestic servant and martha hidden nee plater Inf: martha hidden mother stockcross speen. Regd: 22/03/1874

    5. [S17918] Census OR Web sites, Recno:15023.
      [Recno:15023 Yr: 1891 Dist:newbury SubDist:newbury Address: 2 Wash Rd, Newbury ]
      Civil parish: Newbury Ecclesiastical parish: St John
      Town: Newbury County/Island: Berkshire
      ED, institution, or vessel: 10

      Benjamin Kirby head mar 29 domestic gardener Up Lambourne Hants [!]
      Harriet L Kirby wife mar 29 Sparsholt do [!]
      Margaret A Kirby dau twins 10/12 mo Newbury Berks
      Agnes L Kirby dau twins 10/12 mo do do
      William Hidden boarder S 17 domestic groom Newbury Berks

      Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 969; Folio: 146; Page: 17; GSU roll: 6096079.
      Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1891 England Census [database on-line].

    6. [S17924] Census TS (Transcript), Recno:14752.
      [Recno:14752 Yr: 1911 ]
      Registration District Number: 641
      ED, institution, or vessel: South Africa
      Piece: 34977
      Household Members: Name Age
      George Alwyn Stephens 38
      Frederick Davies 37
      Uriah Barker 39
      Edward Cook 37
      William Hidden 37 Sergeant Married Newbury, Berks 3rd K.O. Hussars
      Frederick Hidden 36 Sergeant Married Newbury, Berks 3rd K.O. Hussars
      Alfred Wilkins 35
      Samuel Handley 34
      Frank Williams 36
      George Norman Curry 35
      Robert Knight 31
      Albert John Pragnell 33
      Walter Webb 36
      Frederick Evans Ody 33
      Thomas Kershaw 35
      Charles Henry Smith 32
      Harry Over 35
      John Oliver Wynne 32
      Frank Rawson 34
      William White 31
      Frederick Robert Parkes 36
      Samuel Martin 37
      William Charles Muddiman 33
      Herbert Edward Fox 28
      Noah Smith 33
      Samuel Henderson 36
      George Child 32
      George Jones 34
      Harry Groose 33
      Charles Mortlock 32

      Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 34977; Page: 2.

      Source Information:

      Ancestry.com. 1911 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
      Original data: Census Returns of England

    7. [S17933] Census OR Image, Recno:12075 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:12075 Yr: 1881 Dist:speen Address: stockcross Ref:1271 ]
      hidden martha head m 30 charwoman brk dean wood
      do sarah ann dau 10 mdx paddington
      do thomas h son 8 mdx paddington
      do william j son 7 brk stockcross
      do frederick c son 5 brk speen
      do emily r dau 3 brk speen

    8. [S17039] RG Index of Deaths, Recno:8500 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:8500 Yr: 1963 Qtr:1 Dist:bromley Ref:5b/226 ]
      william j hidden 88 bromley

    9. [S17038] RG Index of Marriages, Recno:12277 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:12277 Yr: 1871 Qtr:1 Dist:marylebone Ref:1a/657 ]
      hidden thomas [& martha plater] marylebone

    10. [S17038] RG Index of Marriages, Recno:5579 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:5579 Yr: 1904 Qtr:1 Dist:farnham Ref:2a/143 ]
      william joseph hidden farnham [& bessie beedell]

    11. [S17038] RG Index of Marriages, Recno:11857 (Reliability: 3).
      [Recno:11857 Yr: 1956 Qtr:1 Dist:tonbridge Ref:5b/1610 ]
      hidden william j & [rosa m] FUGGLE tonbridge 5b 1610